@wish List Tally V1.00.06@

[befuddled]

Hello one and all! http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
In a bid to keep track of wishlists and potential ideas, I will proprose the following way to keep-up-to-date with changes and most wanted features. http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shy.gif

We've all seen wishlists on other forums where the topis gets so long it loses all coherence and doesn't really achieve anything (apart from hundreds of rants) http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunce.gif . Polls are not bad, but if new idea's come up, you can't add them in. What I've seen previously is to create a running tally of wishlists. The main benefit of the running tally method is that it will be constantly updated by the next poster. As it is up-to-date this will be a benefit to (hopefully) Humax for the current features desired. http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/content.gif
Also the wishlist item can be added/updated/removed as updates are released - sweet! http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif At this point, the running totals can be reset to zero and a new round of voting can take place (a brand new topic is started with the current software version in the header) http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Lets get on with it! http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I've scimmed over this forum wishlist and picked out the most frequent items. But don't forget you can your own to the bottom - however, it's probably best to vote for items that are capable of being fixed (if you know what I mean) http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


a. Series Link
b. Saved EPG
c. Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. i-Bar: Display now and next
e. More characters in recorded program title
f. Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. 32x FF
h. More channels in EPG
i. Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. Increase USB Transfer rate
l. Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. Save favourite searches
n. Dim display on standby
o. Timer limit
p. More then 100 Genre search results
q. Reminders
r. Chase play
s. Folders
t. Listing View EPG

+-----+
|Notes|
+-----+
c) Coloured buttons: @Recorded programs: Red to delete.**@....etc
h) EPG: @Use 1 line instead of 2 per channel) @Full screen EPG option - with sound
@Whisper's image on Digital Spy Forum http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/whisper/Ideal.jpg
t) Listings View EPG:**EPG that shows a long list (6+ programs) from one channels of upcoming programs

So i'll start with my vote and tally.......http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I forgot to mention, 3 votes per person (until the totals are reset, after a software upgrade for example) http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

a. (0) Series Link
b. (1)+1 Saved EPG
c. (0) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1)+1 i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (0) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (0) 32x FF
h. (1)+1 More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (0) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (0) Timer limit
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
<strike>r. Chase play</strike>
s. (0) Folders
t. (0) Listing View EPG

+-----+
|Notes|
+-----+
c) Coloured buttons: @Recorded programs: Red to delete. @....etc
h) EPG: @Use 1 line instead of 2 per channel) @Full screen EPG option - with sound
@Whisper's image on Digital Spy Forum http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/whisper/Ideal.jpg
t) Listings View EPG: EPG that shows a long list (6+ programs) from one channels of upcoming programs

[ICO]

Not a bad idea...

So I'll start, the following is the voting result from... although I really need more than three.



0. Multiple Deleats!
a. Series Link
b. Saved EPG
c. Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. i-Bar: Display now and next
e. More characters in recorded program title
f. Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. 32x FF
h. More channels in EPG
i. Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. Increase USB Transfer rate
l. Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. Save favourite searches
n. Dim display on standby
o. Timer limit
p. More then 100 Genre search results
q. Reminders
r. Chase play
s. Folders
t. Listing View EPG

To be honest though some of the proposed changes are much easier to implement than others, getting a way to show the info on recorded items for example should just appear in the top left of the screen. it's got the info already it just has to print it up on the screen as you highlight a programme.

[FenderBender]

Using a poll is not a bad idea, but in normal polls you can only have one vote. However on this board you can have multiple poll questions, so all we need to do is repeat the list 3 times, and ask everyone to pick their 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices from 3 identical polls.

The polls can be modified after they have been posted, either by <strike>bribing</strike> persuading a moderator http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hypocrite.gif, or possibly by the author themselves. I'm not sure about this last one unless someone can confirm.

[seanieb]

0. Multiple Deleats!
a. Series Link
b. Saved EPG
c. Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. i-Bar: Display now and next
e. More characters in recorded program title
f. Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. 32x FF
h. More channels in EPG
i. Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. Increase USB Transfer rate
l. Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. Save favourite searches
n. Dim display on standby
o. Timer limit
p. More then 100 Genre search results
q. Reminders
r. Chase play
s. Folders
t. Listing View EPG

What about this

u. More scheduled recording slots

there my preference! All good ideas though.

[befuddled]

Using a poll is not a bad idea, but in normal polls you can only have one vote. However on this board you can have multiple poll questions, so all we need to do is repeat the list 3 times, and ask everyone to pick their 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices from 3 identical polls.

The polls can be modified after they have been posted, either by <strike>bribing</strike> persuading a moderator http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hypocrite.gif, or possibly by the author themselves. I'm not sure about this last one unless someone can confirm.[/b]I don't mind which method used as long as can always be maintained. I was thinking this running tally will always be maintained by the posters themselves. The big problem with polls is adding a new option straight without having to PM a mod or author to edit the thread etc....

Yeah thats the idea, but the next poster will put the +1 next to their choice and then update the total in the brackets, to keep the running total going. (So i've added up the total from the previous two posters):

a. (0) Series Link
b. (3) Saved EPG
c. (1) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons [/b]
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (0) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (0) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (0) Timer limit/Schedule Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
s. (0) Folders
t. (0) Listing View EPG
u. (2) Multiple Deletes

[kragbell]

I've increased the tally.


a. (0) Series Link
b. (4) Saved EPG
c. (1) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (0) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (0) Timer limit
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
<strike>r. Chase play</strike>
s. (0) Folders
t. (0) Listing View EPG
u. (2) Multiple Deleats
v. (1) More scheduled recording slots
w. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives better info eg change CHANNEL to CH4

I've voted for saved epg, 32xff & more recording slots. I really want series link but suspect that'll be addressed with freeview playback.
I've added option w

To ensure tally is updated -

Copy the list (from post directly above your own).
increase the tally in the parenthesis for your most wanted.
Adding +1 for your selection and deleting +1 from previous poster is going to be confusing (it was for me http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunce.gif ) so maybe leave that step out and rely instead on...
... briefly listing what you voted for as if this thread continues it may not be obvious.

Andy

[befuddled]

Yeah good idea andy. Maybe you can just bold your choices on your post to show what you voted for

So the steps would be
1. Copy the list (from post directly above your own).
2. Increase the tally in the parenthesis for your most wanted and bold it

***
I put 'more schedule slots' under option 'o' and remove chase play

a. (0) Series Link
b. (4) Saved EPG
c. (1) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (0) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (1) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
r. (0) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4

[alkasteveh]

a. (0) Series Link
b. (5) Saved EPG
c. (2) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (0) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
r. (0) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4


I'm used to the sky+ way of coloured buttons, works very well and better than a pop-up menu - and extra scheduled slots would be very welcome, 20 is a bit low

[BizMark]

Hmmmm. This is rather tough. Can I vote for an option for more votes?!?!? http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smartass.gif

Actually, I'm not *totally* clear on the meaning of all of these items, but here goes.

a. (0) Series Link
b. (5) Saved EPG
c. (3) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (0) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4

My notes to explain my interpretations:

c. I don't actually think assigning functions to the colour buttons is a good idea. The whole point of them is keeping them independent from any other possible meaning. That's how saying "press the red button" works so well, whereas "press either the button that says 'TEXT' or that has a rectangle with lines icon on it or your manufacturer's similar icon" doesn't. Instead, this vote is meant to indicate that a redesigned remote is released, like the Finnish version mentioned earlier.

l. This includes the ability to SORT, and FIND, within the Recorded Programmes List. I don't actually care about a flag to show whether the recording has been watched. Where would you draw the line? Show the icon if partially watched (at all), or only fully watched (in which case if any overrun isn't watched, it won't show), or set an arbitrary level (e.g. if 50% or more watched). The info should be enough to trigger the user's memory.

r. If this means 'Playlist' folders then this is what I'm voting for. I wasn't quite sure whether this vote should go to 's. Listing View EPG' because these sound like essentially the same thing. What I seem them both as alluding to is placing programmes into folders for later playing rather than selecting them from one long list.

I've used all my votes, but 'u.' would also be a really good idea. Although to be honest I thought this was actually possible already in the Channel Edit screen, but I'd never got around to trying to see if it could be done.

[mark.bray]

I'll have a go:

a. (0) Series Link
b. (5) Saved EPG
c. (4) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (1) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (0) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

Ok so it is a reasonably complete list and it would be quicker to say what I don't care about, I would vote g. but I feel the jump from 4x to 16 x is to much also ( include 8x and that would get my vote). The increase in timers is important to me but I have assumed that is being dealt with.

I have chosen option i., because once that works we can petition Humax to get rid of the autopadding bug - merge subsequent recording and manually edit it ourselves. Therefore not having to watch the end of the first recorded program on the beginning of the next.

I have included V (Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart) because it is important to me that I can use my existing DVD recorder to archive - not unplug the PVR in the middle of the day and plug it into my computer in ther other room etc. Let me archive it at times when me a my family are in bed! The ability is in the scart protocol - If humax has used fully functioning Hardware?

Option P. The search menus are attrocious the only one I can see of any use is the 'ascending by time' regardless of channels! God only knows why humax decided to spend some of it mediocre development budget on the other two options. It also means that I have to open that damnable flap to get to the only useful menu (in my opinion) by pressing the 'OPT+' button twice. And only one hundred returns!!!!!!!!!!

The thread is a great idea - will it get us anywhere? It night be nice to publicise it to all forum members and when most have replied send it to humax as a guage of opinion.

[befuddled]

The thread is a great idea - will it get us anywhere? It night be nice to publicise it to all forum members and when most have replied send it to humax as a guage of opinion.[/b]Well as I've only just got the Hummy - i don't know - but it sounds like what i have read, Humax does listen to cutomers ideas and updates their software??? Maybe me, you - someone can post it to DigitalSpy and MSE as they're alot more users there to vote which might stand out more if a hummy look at tally totals of the thread. (Or even if a link to here to vote - so its in one place?) Regards, Steve-O

[marcdavis]

I've been doing the collation for the last few rounds. There is a wishlist sticky and Software Issues sticky on Digital Spy and the wishlist section here on hummy that I use when I collate stuff. once collated I pass on to hummy which they in turn discuss with me in more detail for background info and clarification.

I went through the last round with Humax about a week ago and in that session he whittled down with a yes, no, maybe next to each itemover the phone. The list he ended up with went out to a group of super users from the customer base to double check and then prioritise those items left in the list with a high medium and low priorities. I dont know who those people are and I dont know what the final list of items that were going to the engineers contains - I havent asked even. I am told the engineers will look at that list and reply with which things they are going to look at in the next couple of rounds of software updates over the summer.

I will try to find out more about that in the next couple of weeks.

In the mean time this sort of thing is excellent and must keep going. We have a manufacturer that is prepared to listen and feedback is going to the right people - which is why we are making the most of it.

[keithatrochdale]

A wish list is all very well, but how about fixing the USB problems first before moving onto extras!!!!!!!!!

Mr Angry (getting more angry as time goes by) of Rochdale

[marcdavis]

Dont bother with transfers its crap. Use the machine for what it is intended - record and watch freeview http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Quote:

Robert today:

HI,

I am new memeber - bought me a 9200....

I uploaded my .JPG files. But to open the pictures up or do a slide show - it takes ages!!!!! for every pivture.
Any solutions to speed up this?

Tanks Rob

Keith your reply:

Yes, don't bother..........

The quality is poor too.

Use the machine for what it is built and does bl**dy well, recording and playing programmes.

.............................

http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I was only joking about my first comment by the way http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif. I'll hopefully be able to get some feedback about which bugs are taking priority over other bugs in the next week or two.

[seanieb]

Right, ok, come on hummy this is the way forward: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds34627.html

[mark.bray]

In the mean time this sort of thing is excellent and must keep going. We have a manufacturer that is prepared to listen and feedback is going to the right people - which is why we are making the most of it.[/b]

Thats where you have been coming from! what you mean to say is that you have a manufacturer that is prepared to listen and feedback is going to the right people. I take it that you are a super user. How do I become one and get Humax's Ear? All I have is people on a forum - all of who accept there are problems with the machine, most people here I agree with. But no evidence that this is any more than a 'bitching' club and self-help group.

If you want me to believe 'we' have a manufacturer who listens - get them to host a discussion forum on there website with regular technical feedback.

Oh, and for the record, I doubt I will purchase another Humax product.

[John Jeffrey]

My attention was caught by the phrase 'wish list', but I haven't been able to track down any existing one (my lack of familiarity with the forums, no doubt). So here's something the Hummy is crying out for, though I'm sure I'm not the first to say so - whatever happened to PDC? For all the faults of VCRs, PDC certainly helped get round the problem of having my recording plans scuppered by over-running World Cup Football matches (to give just one example).

I have an awful suspicion that Digital broadcsats don't support PDC, in which case somebody in authority should be taking steps right now to get that changed. But if they do, then PVRs that don't work with it are going to be in the chocolate teapot class.

Incidentally, I tried to search this site for 'PDC' but the engine wouldn't let me use a string of less than 4 letters!

[kragbell]

deleted and move to Sky+ Remote & A Hummy Alternative? (http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/index.php?showtopic=757&st=0&gopid=4605&)

Andy

[seanieb]

from sky website (http://www.sky.com/skycom/article/0,,91172-1226077,00.html) (my bold)

so pay to download epg & send request or 37p a shot by text message
There's no way I'd pay to record a programme - end of.[/b]

No, i would tho. Not all the time but it would be useful on occasion

[marcdavis]

If you want me to believe 'we' have a manufacturer who listens - get them to host a discussion forum on there website with regular technical feedback.[/b]



Mark - There seems to be one like you on every forum. I am wondering if you are each the same person?

Anyway, Mark, to answer the above, they already do but its technical, proactive, sometimes hard work and time consuming but efficient and the only purpose of it is to make the product better. General forums are not part of their support strategy by the looks of things, only closed but focussed ones. Although they attempted it a few times in the past, sadly there are always a minority who abuse it. Thats the wild wild web for you http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

You know what Mark, it would be nice if forum members can tolerate people who have different views to them and articulate that in a way that keeps people included. I quite realise that amongst members here there are a couple of people that feel there are better PVRs out there and some who don't actually like their PVR or Humax particularly. Just because they are such a minority it doesn't mean I don't want to hear what they say. In the same way I would expect people to respect the views or work others are doing even if they are different to theirs.

I dont want to you to believe the manufacturer listens if you don't want to. If some of us here talk about things Humax are doing and our involvement in those ctivities just don't read it or take any notice, and let us get on with things. The way it seems to be working is customers say what issues they have with the box. There are threads here about bugs, problems, issues and making the box easier/better to use. One of us puts there hand up and says I will be proactive and collate all the information and try to establish a contact and relationship with the manufacturer so that all our issues can be heard and discussed with someone there. If they listen then we have achieved some success. If they don't then we are no better off than customers of all the other manufacturers. Fact is they listened and acted on some of the things we wanted fixed or made better quite a few months ago. And then the next time I and some other users were invited to do the same thing again by Humax and ended up with the last software update. This time we were told that engineers will be getting together again and they wanted to hear what matters most to people at the moment - so some people collated a load of info from all of us and passed it on to Humax who took it on, discussed it and have sent a list of our common issues to their engineers to look at. Feedback about that is reported back to here but don't read it if it annoys you.

Super Users? Its pointless expecting to be asked by Humax or fellow members of the forums to be asked to contribute time and effort to developing the machine if you dislike the product or the manufacturer. It takes a lot of your time so you have to feel you are doing something worthwhile and that there will be some parts of the job you actually enjoy doing. There are quite a few people here that are super users or beta testers though most probably do not go around telling people all the time or at all. These are probably people who have contacted Humax or Humax have contacted or who have been referred because they have an interest in the product and forums I guess. they tend to be helpful to people and more often than not quite proactive in finding out more about someone's problem and helping to get to the bottom of it. They are also like the majority of people happy to do business with Humax and like their products. They often have a better knowledge of the product and are therefore good partners with Humax in helping making the product better. I was referred to Humax to help take part in some beta testing for probably those sorts of reasons and I am quite organised and dont mind putting in a lot of work where I can.

I think the administrator of this forum was also asked by Humax to see if members would like to voice their opinions on what if anything they wanted sorted and he created a thread to capture stuff. I think it is another thread in this section. There are also two threads on Digital Spy that is used to find out what matters most in terms of issues/problems or making the product better to use - all of which is information flowing to Humax. Humax engage with customers via their helpdesk not through forums, although they do sometimes have a representative communicate to customers through them. I can only think of one manufacturer of this type of product that did communicate through forums and the poor chap had to spend loads of time on them in the end. He was mocked and ridiculed and when he didn't spend time on forums answering questions or helping he got a lot of stick.

I am sure this is boring the pants of people who just want to stay on topic for this thread so I shall be off

[Barry]

Marc

Could not agree more, was in the process of compiling a reply, but yours has covered all the points I was about to make.

If users feel that strongly about the product not performing as they would like, or imagined,......then take it back, get a refund, and lower your blood pressure.

Now back to trying to find out why some are reporting problems with dates on recordings........or shall I actually bother http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

[kragbell]

My attention was caught by the phrase 'wish list', but I haven't been able to track down any existing one (my lack of familiarity with the forums, no doubt). So here's something the Hummy is crying out for, though I'm sure I'm not the first to say so - whatever happened to PDC? For all the faults of VCRs, PDC certainly helped get round the problem of having my recording plans scuppered by over-running World Cup Football matches (to give just one example).

I have an awful suspicion that Digital broadcsats don't support PDC, in which case somebody in authority should be taking steps right now to get that changed. But if they do, then PVRs that don't work with it are going to be in the chocolate teapot class.

Incidentally, I tried to search this site for 'PDC' but the engine wouldn't let me use a string of less than 4 letters![/b]

John - have a look at freeview playback (http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/index.php?showtopic=731) which gives an overview of forth-coming changes giving PDC type functionality plus other potential goodies.

[John Jeffrey]

The last couple of contributions were no doubt justified, but I wonder if they have diverted attention from the genuine (non-complaining) query I raised earlier this morning, about PDC? So I'm asking it again . . . You'll see I'm a newby, so please forgive me if I'm going about this in the wrong way; but - as I explained before - it's impossible to search the forums for 'PDC'.

Is PDC available on digital TV at all? If it is, shouldn't Hummy be able to take advantage of it? And if it isn't, what should the authorities do to correct this retrograde step for the viewing community?

[kragbell]

The last couple of contributions were no doubt justified, but I wonder if they have diverted attention from the genuine (non-complaining) query I raised earlier this morning, about PDC? So I'm asking it again . . . You'll see I'm a newby, so please forgive me if I'm going about this in the wrong way; but - as I explained before - it's impossible to search the forums for 'PDC'.

Is PDC available on digital TV at all? If it is, shouldn't Hummy be able to take advantage of it? And if it isn't, what should the authorities do to correct this retrograde step for the viewing community?[/b]

John - see above - crossed posts http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icecream.gif

[John Jeffrey]

Thanks, Kragbell. We crossed in the 'Post'! I posted my 'follow-up whinge' before the notifying email arrived telling me of your input.

I've read the link you mention, and it looks promising, but I'm still not clear whether there will be a facility to say (as I could with VHS/PDC) - "this is the programme I want to watch, just start recording when it starts and stop when it stops, regardless of what the clock says". Actually, I'm dreaming, of course - BBC were usually pretty good at this, but Channel 5 was a disaster!

[marcdavis]

Thanks, Kragbell. We crossed in the 'Post'! I posted my 'follow-up whinge' before the notifying email arrived telling me of your input.

I've read the link you mention, and it looks promising, but I'm still not clear whether there will be a facility to say (as I could with VHS/PDC) - "this is the programme I want to watch, just start recording when it starts and stop when it stops, regardless of what the clock says". Actually, I'm dreaming, of course - BBC were usually pretty good at this, but Channel 5 was a disaster![/b]



There is this thread here too: http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/index.php?showtopic=731

It sounds interesting and something that is set to become a standard freeview PVR function in the future I think.

[kragbell]

Thanks, Kragbell. We crossed in the 'Post'! I posted my 'follow-up whinge' before the notifying email arrived telling me of your input.

I've read the link you mention, and it looks promising, but I'm still not clear whether there will be a facility to say (as I could with VHS/PDC) - "this is the programme I want to watch, just start recording when it starts and stop when it stops, regardless of what the clock says". Actually, I'm dreaming, of course - BBC were usually pretty good at this, but Channel 5 was a disaster![/b]

No problem - there was too much good stuff to read for a while there.

Have a look at digital spy (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=401690&page=2&pp=29) where I saw the topic come up. I fully expect freeview playback to deliver the functionality you describe....

...but whether we can trust the broadcasters http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cussing.gif - I never used PDC on my VCR for that exact reason leading to rediculous amount of manually applied pre & post recording padding.

[marcdavis]

Marc

Could not agree more, was in the process of compiling a reply, but yours has covered all the points I was about to make.

If users feel that strongly about the product not performing as they would like, or imagined,......then take it back, get a refund, and lower your blood pressure.

Now back to trying to find out why some are reporting problems with dates on recordings........or shall I actually bother http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif[/b]



Thanks Barry. Update on that problem you are looking at on digital spy is Humax have set up two PVRs with the same repeat timers as the poster, one on standby all the time the other on all the time to try and capture it and also see if this bug has anything to do with the amount of time the machine is in standby as you suggested it might.

[Barry]

Thanks Barry. Update on that problem you are looking at on digital spy is Humax have set up two PVRs with the same repeat timers as the poster, one on standby all the time the other on all the time to try and capture it and also see if this bug has anything to do with the amount of time the machine is in standby as you suggested it might.[/b]

Thanks for that Marc......spoke with them early this a.m. on that issue amongst other things.

[GillBates]

a. (0) Series Link
b. (5) Saved EPG
c. (5) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (0) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (0) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

[davecrowley]

a. (1) Series Link
b. (5) Saved EPG
c. (5) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (0) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

Voted A, J and Q as above. (Updated totals)

[mwest]

a. (1) Series Link
b. (6) Saved EPG
c. (6) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (2) Timer limit/Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (1) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

[Mr_Orange]

Here are my votes from the list:

a. Series Link (3)
b. Saved EPG (1)
c. Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. i-Bar: Display now and next
e. More characters in recorded program title
f. Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. 32x FF
h. More channels in EPG
i. Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. Increase USB Transfer rate
l. Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. Save favourite searches
n. Dim display on standby
o. Timer limit (2)
p. More then 100 Genre search results
q. Reminders
r. Chase play
s. Folders
t. Listing View EPG

and I'd also like to see 8x f forward speed. Sometimes 4x is too slow and 16x is just to bloomin' fast.

[befuddled]

(Just to properly update the table from the previous poster)

a. (2) Series Link
b. (7) Saved EPG
c. (6) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (3) Timer limit/More Scheduled Slots
p. (0) More then 100 Genre search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (1) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

[Guinness2702]

a. (2) Series Link
b. (8) Saved EPG
c. (6) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (1) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (1) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (4) Timer limit/More Scheduled Slots
p. (1) More then 100 search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (1) Folders
s. (1) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart

[David T]

a. (2) Series Link
b. (8) Saved EPG
c. (6) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (2) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (2) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (4) Timer limit/More Scheduled Slots
p. (1) More then 100 search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (2) Folders
s. (1) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart[/b]

[Siamese Cat]

a. (2) Series Link
b. (9) Saved EPG
c. (7) Coloured buttons assign: Less use of remote flap buttons
d. (1) i-Bar: Display now and next
e. (0) More characters in recorded program title
f. (3) Show DAY with the date ("Mon 14th")
g. (2) 32x FF
h. (2) More channels in EPG
i. (2) Editing rework, i.e. no noise or breakup
j. (1) Weekday/Weekend shedule
k. (0) Increase USB Transfer rate
l. (1) Show info in recordings list and flag whether watched
m. (1) Save favourite searches
n. (0) Dim display on standby
o. (4) Timer limit/More Scheduled Slots
p. (1) More then 100 search results
q. (1) Reminders
r. (2) Folders
s. (1) Listing View EPG
t. (2) Multiple Deleats
u. (0) editable channel names so front panel gives more info. than eg change CHANNEL to CH4
v. (1) Archive to DVD/VCR through scart. No info through scart


Sorry but I couldn't get bold to work...
my votes were for
http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif saving epg (I'd vote for that 3 times!)
c) coloured button assign
f) show day as well as date